Joe Rogan Experience #2534 - Annie Jacobsen

Annie Jacobsen and Joe Rogan discuss the discrepancy between the CDC’s reported 1% mortality rate for COVID-19 and what they believe to be a significantly higher actual number, suggesting that the CDC is mismanaging information. They express skepticism towards official statistics and question the overall strategy employed by health authorities during the pandemic, citing lockdowns, school closures, and masking mandates as indefensible measures.

The conversation highlights a lack of mainstream media coverage regarding the ongoing trial involving Dr. Anthony Fauci, despite a congressional hearing where he is testifying under immunity. Annie Jacobsen criticizes CNN for dismissing public interest in the trial and accuses news outlets of acting as propaganda arms for pharmaceutical companies, suggesting they prioritize corporate interests over journalistic integrity.

Annie Jacobsen explains her shift to writing books based on Pentagon war games, specifically focusing on biological warfare. She states that this decision was driven by a recognition of rapidly accelerating scientific advancements and the need to prepare for potential existential threats. Her approach involved gaining access to individuals who conduct these war games within the Pentagon to understand their preparation strategies.

Annie Jacobsen describes Darren Cuyu, an enormous underground structure discovered in Turkey. It is estimated to have been able to house 20,000 people and contained facilities like pastures for cattle, grain storage, wine presses, and water sources. The exact purpose or creators of this massive complex remain unknown, with only about 10% having been explored so far.

The discovery of Darren Cuyu was initially triggered by a seemingly mundane event: chickens disappearing. A farmer followed the chickens through a hole in a wall, leading to the unexpected uncovering of this vast underground complex. This anecdote highlights the accidental nature of many significant archaeological finds and underscores the mystery surrounding the site.

Archaeologists face challenges in determining the age of discovered artifacts within Darren Cuyu because organic materials may not be present for carbon dating. The fact that people used the structure until the 1920s further complicates accurate dating, making it difficult to ascertain how old the complex was when inhabited. Jacobsen notes a tendency among archaeologists with established theories to resist new findings, referencing Gobekli Tepe as an example.

Annie Jacobsen and Joe Rogan discuss how the understanding of ancient history is constantly evolving. Graham Hancock's work highlights a recurring pattern where dates for ancient civilizations are continually pushed further back in time, suggesting that our current timeline may be incomplete or inaccurate. This challenges conventional narratives about human civilization.

Jacobsen reveals a 'devolution plan' within the government, specifically part five called 'reconstitution.' This plan outlines a strategy for rebuilding society after a complete collapse, envisioning a resurgence of government from the ashes. The existence of such a detailed plan suggests a preparedness for extreme societal breakdown and a desire to re-establish order.

Annie Jacobsen describes how the government, specifically through the Pentagon, has contingency plans for a biological catastrophe. These plans include not only deliberate attacks but also incidents like lab leaks. The quote from Colonel Tom Hehard emphasizes that in such an event, there is 'very little' that can be done to protect the homeland and the primary focus shifts to mitigating extermination of the human race.

Discussing potential survival scenarios, Jacobsen points out the concerning statistic that only 17% of military personnel are female. This low percentage raises concerns about the ability to repopulate society after a catastrophic event, highlighting a critical demographic challenge for long-term recovery and rebuilding.

Jacobsen highlights the psychological fortitude required to survive an apocalyptic scenario. She references advice given to her, suggesting that individuals must be capable of 'killing people on site' without hesitation or moral qualms in order to manage fear and infection. This underscores the brutal realities and mental resilience needed for survival in a post-apocalyptic world.

Annie Jacobsen recounts a previous episode where she spoke with a former Russian scientist who worked during the Cold War. He revealed that Russia possessed vast quantities of anthrax, enough to potentially devastate cities like New York City. This highlights the historical concern and capability for biological warfare, demonstrating the scale of potential threats.

In 1972, the Biological Weapons Convention prohibited biological weapons development, aiming to establish a global norm against their use. However, the Soviet Union signed the treaty while secretly maintaining and expanding an extensive biological weapons program, referred to internally as their 'Manhattan project.' This clandestine effort continued for two decades before being revealed through defectors, highlighting a significant breach of international agreements.

Following the 9/11 attacks and fueled by Dick Cheney's concerns about bioweapons, the United States significantly expanded its biosafety level four (BSL-4) laboratories. Prior to 9/11, America only had two BSL-4 labs; this number rapidly increased to fifteen, with many other countries following suit, resulting in a global proliferation of these high-containment facilities.

While BSL-4 labs are highly regulated, the United States hosts a significantly larger number of BSL-3 laboratories – 1,500 nationwide. These facilities handle dangerous pathogens like plague and anthrax, with an alarming statistic revealing that 90% of these labs worldwide lack adequate safety guidelines, raising serious concerns about potential accidental releases or misuse.

Annie Jacobsen emphasizes the shockingly low barrier to entry for developing biological weapons compared to nuclear technology. Unlike nuclear programs, which require substantial resources and infrastructure like enriched uranium or plutonium, creating biological agents can be achieved with relatively accessible materials and computational systems, potentially even by a technologically proficient high school student.

Annie Jacobsen discusses a specialized ear acupuncture method called the Solomon auricular allergy treatment, which has demonstrated a high success rate of 85 to 96% in putting alpha gal syndrome symptoms into remission. This involves a small needle secured with an adhesive bandage and remaining in the ear for three to four weeks. The technique appears to be sidelined due to its lack of integration within mainstream medical insurance and military industrial complexes.

A friend of Annie's experienced alpha gal syndrome, initially going into remission before it returned. He found relief through plasmaferesis, a procedure where blood is filtered to remove plasma and then replaced. Joe Rogan has also tried plasmaferesis for its reported rejuvenating effects, claiming it makes him feel significantly younger and more energetic.

Annie Jacobsen recounts her friend’s experience with PFAS (per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances), often referred to as 'forever chemicals.' His elevated levels were linked to his military deployment overseas, where he consumed water stored in plastic bottles exposed to heat and sunlight, leading to leaching of these harmful chemicals. This highlights a potential public health concern for veterans.

Scientists have developed a novel nanotechnology approach to remove PFAS from water using nanoized cages that trap and lock onto PAS molecules. This method is particularly effective at capturing short-chain PFAS, which are the most difficult to eliminate, demonstrating an ability to remove up to 98% of these pollutants after multiple uses. The discovery holds promise for improved global water filtration systems.

Annie Jacobsen highlights the immense size of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), noting its budget is twice that of the defense department. She questions how Anthony Fauci, initially head of NIH before retiring, was appointed as President’s lead medical counsel, suggesting a group of people were responsible for this decision without clear explanation or transparency.

Jacobsen brings up the John Stewart episode as an example of how opinions can be shaped, even for those previously undecided. She expresses curiosity about why individuals readily conformed to a single narrative during the pandemic response, questioning the lack of dissenting voices and independent thought.

Jacobsen clarifies that 'conspiracy' is a legal term, distinguishing it from the pejorative use as 'conspiracy theorist.' She argues that labeling someone a conspiracy theorist is simply dismissing an alternative narrative and encourages using more accurate language when discussing potential coordinated efforts to conceal information.

Jacobsen points out that Fauci exerted significant influence, potentially damaging the careers of those who disagreed with his approach. She cites examples like Jay Badacharia and others who were deplatformed or maligned for expressing alternative viewpoints, highlighting a pattern of silencing dissent within the scientific community.

Annie Jacobsen expresses disappointment regarding Dr. Fauci’s pursuit of million-dollar awards, particularly during a time when many faced hardship and restricted access to loved ones. She questions the motivations behind such actions, suggesting they prioritize personal gain over public service. This incident highlights concerns about potential corruption within influential positions.

Jacobsen explains her approach to interviewing, stating she has conducted over a hundred interviews across eight books. She believes she gravitates towards and successfully connects with individuals who are genuinely dedicated and avoid those motivated by personal gain or seeking power for the wrong reasons. This suggests a deliberate effort to highlight positive actors within government institutions.

Jacobsen emphasizes that decisions are often skewed by the perspectives of a few powerful individuals, like Fauci, potentially overshadowing alternative viewpoints. She highlights an example where ten dissenting voices regarding the lab leak theory were silenced, preventing early investigation and altering the narrative surrounding the pandemic's origin.

Jacobsen describes a visit to a Galveston CDC lab where researchers study highly dangerous pathogens like plague. The facility is heavily secured with thick walls, space suits, and specialized tubes for handling these materials. This illustrates the level of precaution taken when dealing with potentially catastrophic diseases and raises concerns about accidental release.

Jacobsen clarifies her role as a storyteller rather than a policy maker, emphasizing that her goal is to convey complex information in an accessible and engaging manner. She cites feedback from the Austrian diplomat at the United Nations who praised her ability to make nuclear war concepts understandable to ordinary people, demonstrating the power of narrative in shaping public understanding.

Annie Jacobsen recounts how early sightings of unidentified flying objects were often attributed to the experimental U-2 spy planes, which flew at an unprecedented altitude of 70,000 feet – a height no other aircraft could reach at the time. These planes had distinctive long wings and appeared as a giant ‘X’ in the sky, leading many observers to mistake them for UFOs. While not all sightings were U-2 flights, Jacobsen notes that this phenomenon was exploited by the CIA as a form of cover for classified operations.

Jacobsen describes her fascination with trail cameras, which allow individuals to remotely observe wildlife in their natural habitats. She follows cameras tracking lions, leopards, bears, moose, and deer, finding the images captivating and providing unprecedented insights into animal behavior. This personal interest highlights a broader point: if humans can create technology capable of capturing such detailed imagery of animals, it raises questions about why extraterrestrial beings haven't been similarly documented by trail cams.

Jacobsen discusses the possibility of advanced cloaking technology, drawing parallels to techniques used in military applications. She references a system where an LED screen projects what's behind it, effectively rendering objects invisible—a concept similar to that employed by Predator drones. This raises the question of whether extraterrestrial beings might possess even more sophisticated methods of concealment if they were to visit Earth.

Jacobsen observes a change in attitudes toward UFOs compared to when she first reported on Area 51. She notes that more individuals, including fighter pilots and astronauts like Jeff Ashby, are now open to the possibility of extraterrestrial phenomena. This shift suggests a growing acceptance within professional circles who previously held skeptical views, potentially influenced by new evidence or perspectives.

An American scientist, not a Russian one as initially mentioned, argued that natural viruses are just as concerning as genetically engineered ones. While some believe mother nature is the greatest threat, he countered this by emphasizing the potential for genetic modification to create more virulent and transmissible pathogens capable of evading existing defenses like vaccines.

The discussion shifts to the Fauci hearings and questions surrounding the origins of COVID-19. Annie Jacobsen asserts that most experts now believe the virus likely originated from a Wuhan lab, but this conclusion was potentially obscured due to funding through the Eco Health Alliance, raising concerns about potential conflicts of interest and deliberate obfuscation.